Friday, March 6, 2015

THE GOD OF NO MERCY (revisited)



A 45-minute documentary on Lee Kuan Yew, the founding father of modern Singapore and one of the world's remaining political strongmen. The film was seized by government officials (on orders of the home ministry) when it premiered at a private screening on 17 May 2008. Directed by Seelan Palay.

After viewing this well-researched and passionately produced doco on Singapore's Mr Hyde side, and figured it was high time Malaysians took a good hard look at the unwholesome aspects of Singapore's toy-townish tinsel and glitter image - especially those who express envy when comparing per capita incomes.

While Lee Kuan Yew's 31-year iron-fisted authoritarian rule - which, in truth, never ended since he created an advisory post for himself as "Minister Mentor" to the government - facilitated a prosperous, efficiently managed city-state whose dynamic economic growth far outshines all its Asean counterparts, Singapore's impressive status as a developed nation has been attained at an extremely high cost to other far more important human values.

Values like the ability of its citizens to think and feel and act freely and independently - rather than behaving like well-disciplined ants in a high-rise, multi-tiered, 24/7-monitored colony. Indeed, anyone who has seen The Matrix will easily identify with the predicament of the protagonist Neo after he swallows the Red Pill and begins to see beyond the glossy fa├žade of life in the gigantic discount emporium that represents Singapore's public image.

Seelan Palay exposes the cold-blooded, ruthless cruelty with which Lee Kuan Yew systematically destroyed his challengers, detractors and rivals in order to establish the Lee Dynasty, propped up by an obsequious bureaucracy of well-paid mandarins - while keeping the lower echelons of society eternally chained to a relentless and soulless economic juggernaut.

I'm reminded of an excellent joke I once heard wherein a foreign tourist visits a Chinese temple in Singapore dedicated to two deities, female and male. The tour guide explains that the Chinese strictly adhere to the concept of balance symbolized by the Yin-Yang. Pointing to the female deity statue, the guide says: "That one Goddess of Mercy, Kuan Yin... and over there the God of No Mercy, Kuan Yew."

It would appear that a very large worm has begun to turn in Singapore and a new generation of civil society activists has arisen who are demanding an end to Singapore's oligarchical plutocracy, modeled after the dystopian society portrayed in Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.

Radical change is definitely in the air, on both sides of the Causeway!

[First posted 28 June 2009]

DEVAN NAIR'S LETTER TO LEE KUAN YEW (DATED 8 JULY 1988)


64 comments:

AnnA said...

I love this!!

Thanx for writing babe.. so true :))

the standby assassin said...

as some1 once said...

"in every singaporean there's a malaysian just crying to get out"

...or was it the other way round.

Richard said...

There was this businessman who was in Jakarta when the Marriot was bombed and he ended up in hospital back in Singapore for 2 months with no income. Government officials visited him but did not give him a single cent! (I hope he received some help later on.)

Heard the one about the guy whose car was towed away for parking in front of his own house?

I have a lot of respect for Singapore but some things are just over the top!

Anonymous said...

Thank you Antares! What courageous cousins we have across the causeway. So LKY's tete-a-tete with the Wicked Witch of the West was a mentoring 'meeting' after all!!!xxx

masterwordsmith said...

Brilliant post, Antares! Thanks, dear friend.

There are those Singaporeans who live in a make-believe world that everything is sugar, spice and nice as they view life through rose-tinted lens. Then there are those who see the scenario and tell it like it is and it is the latter who will bring about change.

The former are the ones who laugh at Malaysians while the latter know that while they may seemingly enjoy a better lifestyle and meritocracy which we Malaysians yearn for and dream about, they know in their deepest heart of hearts that all is not as beautiful as it appears.

Closer home, there are Malaysians that fall in the above two categories and it is ironical but true that we are closely related.

Take care and have a good week.

Anonymous said...

Antares,
I am sorry to spill cold water on you. As much as I wanna support the growth of alternative politics, SDP including the Chees has done a great disservice to Singapore

Guys,
Just to remind you guys it was Chee Soon Juan & companies has perform the ultimate betrayal towards the founder, Chiam See Tong. Never get yourself associated with SDP.
I have been in Singapore since 1993. I have been followed very closely on the politics. On the contrary to what SDP goons might have said, Chee Soon Juan has been given plenty of chances of debating with PAP folks. One of the famous debate is with Matthias Yao, currently a Mayor in one of Singapore CDC (Community Development Centre).
I shall cut my stories short. SDP has resounded defeated in Sembawang GRC in 2006 GRC. Thanks to Chee, Chiam has been betrayed & ousted......Please don't get yourself associated with SDP.....Pakatan Rakyat deserved better.....If you wanna support, please support Thia Khiang's party (Workers' Party)
By the way, I am staying in a ward next to Potong Pasir SMC (Single Member Constituency)

looes74

Anonymous said...

1. Malaysian printed press is govt controlled, can I apply the same statement thus "Values like the ability of its citizens to think and feel and act freely and independently - rather than behaving like well-disciplined ants in a high-rise, multi-tiered, 24/7-monitored colony."?

No, because this is the internet age. Singaporeans are just as well travelled. Parents send hordes of their children to overseas universities. A quarter of our population are foreigners. I dare say we have a wider world view than most.

2. A differing view offered in your article is based on the other side of the coin, and should be taken as such. It should be read along with the other side. If you endorse this side especially without looking at the details, you are no different from the pro-govt mindless dribble that you seem to deride.

3. What are the details? For eg. the media court battles have not prevented most of the major media agencies from operating here. And even if they are not sold here, I can still read (eg) FEER online. And incidentally, FEER published the to and fro of its court case with the S'pore govt, I wonder if you read those?

4. When you say things like "Seelan Palay exposes.." I'm not sure if you have just come to know of what has been discussed in cyberspace in the last 10 years (for the older events)?

5. There are alot to be debated in the governance sphere, no doubts. But here's the problem, aside from that, S'pore has become an open exchange. You do well for yourself, you set up a lifestyle, you enjoy your hobbies and see your kids getting an education, what is there to change on a personal basis? And that is not a question I'm just starting to ask, I've been debating this (from both sides of the coins) with fellow S'poreans 10 years ago.

One of the things writers like you fail to register is that the best and brightest are mobile. They vote with their passports. Just like some of your best and brightest who have chosen to come over the causeway.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to spill colder water on the anonymous poster before me, but quite a number of Singaporeans themselves are fed up with the Worker's Party, read this article from a prominent Singapore blogger for reasons why: http://www.sgpolitics.net/?p=3293

And as for "Chiam See Tong VS Chee Soon Juan", please also read the other side of the story on the SDP's website: http://yoursdp.org/index.php/the-party/faqs

Anonymous said...

It is because of SDP and the internet that the PAP government is not able to hookwink more citizens. Unfortunately, more citizens would rather believe and read the one-sided MSM. How many times have the MSM not print replies from political parties and unfortunately, when you keep harping on a subject, it becomes real after repeated times and people come to believe it as the truth. Just like the PAP is infallable.

Dr Chee of SDP has lost everything thru bankruptcy initiated by the PAP. He lost his house, his car and is living on the goodness of his family members. It has been close to 10 years already. If this is a great experience, maybe you should experience it and have fun. Or ask the MPs drawing an monthly allowance of $13,500 or $162,000/year to make sacrifices for the party and country. Will they?

Anonymous said...

seelan palay & the SDP were rejected by the people of singapore purely for their stupidity & attention seeking ways.
unlike malaysian commenters and protesters who will themselves to suffer the disparity.I salute them for this.as for Seelan & co.i.e.SDP,they enjoy all the privileges given and protests.as for the scenes in the tube,the poor are proud to seek out a living to keep themselves occupied.I know, my auntie is one of them.She is proud collecting cardboards & paper rather than sotting at home whithering away.

Nanda said...

Antares, sir, thanks for the link.

Nanda

Anonymous said...

antares, u da man.

anon joe

Anonymous said...

"It is because of SDP and the internet that the PAP government is not able to hookwink more citizens."

The first person to ring the bell for me was JB Jeyeratnam. I would read WP literature, but I would never take anything off Chee's hands, who has a problem in getting his facts right.

If you accept the internet as a game changer, then nobody can be successfully hookwinked. And thus there is no need for SDP or anybody or organization to solve a non-existent problem.

"Unfortunately, more citizens would rather believe and read the one-sided MSM. How many times have the MSM not print replies from political parties and unfortunately, when you keep harping on a subject, it becomes real after repeated times and people come to believe it as the truth. Just like the PAP is infallable."

Have some respect. By harping on 'more citizens' been unable to differentiate truth from half truths and spin, you denigrate the citizenry. You are in fact saying people like you are able to tell the difference, but 'more' of your fellow citizens are unable to given their education in a globalized, electronically connected world?

Have you ever wondered why people of your ilk keep losing elections after elections?

Still catch no ball?

I'm not surprised, not one bit.

Antares said...

Just for the record, folks, I'm not by any means a compulsive Singapore-basher. In fact, between 1978-1985 I often spent months at a stretch in Singapore producing multi-projector extravaganzas - and I recall that my Singaporean clients were far more sophisticated and positive-minded than any Malaysian client I had encountered. At least they were refined enough to actually thank me for doing a good job and pay me promptly (well, only in ONE instance did I have some trouble collecting but it turns out the guy was a well-known crook and was probably born in Malaysia! :-) I also found great joy and delight in a close-knit circle of somewhat Bohemian friends living in Singapore and have loads of wonderful memories of time spent in the Merlion City. Nevertheless,
I couldn't help but notice that as people got richer, they also became more anal retentive and more anxious to keep everything under control. I believe it's what often happens to folks who suddenly experience upward mobility - jumping from working class to superbourgeoisie in one short generation... I present Seelan Palay's video here more because the Singapore government was anal enough to ban it. If they hadn't seized Palay's video, perhaps I wouldn't have bothered - mainly because I find socialist rhetoric somewhat humorless and way too literal-minded to be comfortable with it.

AnnA said...

I guess someone has not grab his own balls to find out if he's living in reality or not, especially in Singapore. For your information, ALMOST, maybe 97% of Singaporean lives in credit!! Maybe you are in the 3% category, I don't know. Well, I have to say this too... Who owns a car or a home?? I'm asking 'OWNED'.. I must say that perhaps the very 3% managed to own their properties. And these 3% are multi millionaires including our ministers!

Someone's auntie is 'enjoying' her retirement by collecting cardboard and cans? Unbelievable. Perhaps it is a stigma not to say you are 'enjoying' the things you are not supposed to do. In the 80's and 90's, I saw old aunties and uncles passing their time doing Tai Chi on basketball courts.

LKY is so insecure with Dr Chee against LHL. That's how they need propaganda news and kangaroo courts to help them hide what Dr Chee is trying to tell Singaporean.

FYI, do you know we lost more than 100Blln by Ho Ching??? When read news, please include from around the world too.

Peace

Patricia said...

I've never envied my cousins over the causeway; literally: I do have cousins there!

If I go by what I see, I'm not impressed with their 'progress'. And when they're unleashed, at the Immigration gates, watch them grow wild and wanton (but not in a good way!) over on this side, where we, the poor cousins, live! I see a lot of them in PD during the weekends, and frankly, I see more than I care to.

Singaporeans. Hmmmm... how do I describe them? I can't generalise, tho' I am sorely tempted!

It isn't greener on the other side; just looking at their tailored order makes me shudder. Give me our 'mess' anytime, I say.

Anonymous said...

'I curse the day I was born Singaporean', a letter published on Malaysiakini: http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/107311

Anonymous said...

"ALMOST, maybe.."

Make up your mind please.

Did the govt force you to live on credit? Is credit evil? If you can't afford to buy a 'home' with cash or a car with cash, it's the govt's fault? Next time you can't stretch to reach your toes, it's also the govt's fault?

For every aunty and uncle who is desperately poor, there are thousands others who are living comfortably. What's your point? The former is the govt's fault? The latter? Has the govt done anything for the desperately poor? Or you mean govt ministers must receive skinny salaries in order to mark their moral authority to rule? And then divert all the 'savings' to eradicate desperate poverty?

Yes, our money managers were grossly deficient in losing billions. No amount of spin will change the sea of red ink. Even my kopi aunty knows that. That kinda put paid to your general theory that the citizenry are sponges of govt propaganda?

FYI, I grew up in the 60s in a kampung with no running water and electricity. I can safely say under LKY we are better off today.

No joke.

AnnA said...

I said 'almost' coz it is almost ALL and when I said 'maybe' coz it might be 98%... comprendhe???

Do you own a car?? Do you own a home?? Singaporean own a car?? You must be one of the millionaires or must be one of the ministers. No one owns a car in Singapore. It'll be scrap off on the tenth year or you have to mpay at least $30K more to keep it. Not govt.'s fault that we Singaporean does not own good assets in life?? What about home?? Average income earners lives in HDB flats. Do they own it?? Normally when the area does not give good revenues to HDB, they will start to en-bloc those areas, even if it is only 30 years old estate. Like Clementi etc.

Need to know more??

The salaries of our ministers are corrupted. It is only being made legal. You trusted their claim to be out of this world brain? That is so stupid to believe their claims.

Your CPF is locked. Why?

Many Singaporean losses their homes. Why?

Blame who if not the govt.??

D'uh.

Not joking either.

AnnA said...

We, Singapore citizen only, rightfully owns household items to be our assets.

I don't think the grass are greener on the other side either but at least, most of them owns a car for life or a land/house for life.

Anonymous said...

it's a blasphemy to call him a god, it should be that he's the devil of no mercy!

Anonymous said...

"For your information, ALMOST, maybe 97% of Singaporean lives in credit!!"

vs

"I said 'almost' coz it is almost ALL and when I said 'maybe' coz it might be 98%... comprendhe???"

The critical 'ALL' was missing.

"Do you own a car?? Do you own a home?? Singaporean own a car?? You must be one of the millionaires or must be one of the ministers. No one owns a car in Singapore."

If you're so sure I'm a millionaire, then I should own a home, maybe several, freehold. Therefore you're only guessing. Try not to use words like 'must be' when clueless, can?

My parents have been staying in their 3 room flat in a not so well to do area since the early 70s. That's almost 40years. No en-bloc. It's worth more than 10X it's original purchase price.

"Your CPF is locked. Why?"

It's a pension scheme. And it's not completely 'locked'.

"Many Singaporean losses their homes. Why?"

You mean they lose their homes or their house values depreciated?

"Blame who if not the govt.??"

I don't own a car. That kinda put paid to your idea that I'm rich. By my calculations, it makes no sense to own a wasting asset by paying premium prices. Why buy one and ask so many stupid questions? Don't like, don't buy lah!?

I think ministers should be well paid but not necessarily pegged to private-sector CEOs. Are they 'world brain'? I've no idea. I don't know what a 'world brain' looks like. Do you?

Some of our problems are unsolveable. Limited land, no natural resources (of which water is the most critical). No matter what 'world brain' takes over, we will still be living with all these problems associated with the lay of the land.

So why complain? Where does your own responsibility start? No wonder some foreigners view this country as a nanny state. Citizens too dependent on govt for this for that.

Grow up lah.

AnnA said...

Hehehe.. you are contradicting on your own statement.

"No wonder some foreigners view this country as a nanny state. Citizens too dependent on govt for this for that."

Who says we are so dependent on the govt.? It is the govt. that purposely makes us lives in a state where they can become our nanny to depend on. Successfully makes us rely on them by locking our CPF and many other stupid policies such as the homes that we couldn't call as asset for future generation.

*************

Do you know that many Singaporean lost their homes due to the policy which made average income earners have to take up bank loans with floating interests? Hence the many needed supply for 2 room rental flats that they intend to build. Most lost all money in their CPF & home bcoz of these policies. If you think that whoever couldn't afford to buy something, tell me how the system works for applying rental home? If you're not suited on the requirements, govt. will suggest that you buy a flat through open market. Only certain cases may get it easily but most will be rejected. What happen then?

Look at the beaches in Singapore. There are lots of permanent erected tents there. One should wonder who lives in it.

Talking about limited resources, do you accept newater? Hehe.. I don't. I don't trust a self claimed first class ministers who makes their own citizens to drink shitwater.

Why accept whatever nonsense they are giving to us?

As for myself, if it affects me, I confront them. It happened and if needed again, I will still approach them. I know my basic rights.

Anonymous said...

“Who says we are so dependent on the govt.? It is the govt. that purposely makes us lives in a state where they can become our nanny to depend on. Successfully makes us rely on them by locking our CPF and many other stupid policies such as the homes that we couldn't call as asset for future generation.”

Assuming you’re 55 or younger. Your CPF rate is 14.5%? Let’s say you’re making $1,500 (not a lot given our cost of living). So you’re saying the govt has purposely made you dependent on them by forcing you to save $217.50 and you can’t live a happy life with the balance of $1,282.50?

You complained you can’t buy this and that for cash. Isn’t this an enforced way of helping you to buy big ticket items? And if you’re a salaried employee, your company contributes another 20%?

Let’s say there is no CPF, and at the appropriate time you would also need to cough up the cash? And since you don’t seem to like the idea of credit, then how are you going to pay for housing? By saving now right? Or are you saying you want to save ‘independently’ instead of been forced by the govt?

Or if you think buying a house is no asset for the future, then rent lah.

“Do you know that many Singaporean lost their homes due to the policy which made average income earners have to take up bank loans with floating interests? Hence the many needed supply for 2 room rental flats that they intend to build. Most lost all money in their CPF & home bcoz of these policies.”

Please state the policy in question.

“If you think that whoever couldn't afford to buy something, tell me how the system works for applying rental home?”

Rental policy has an income cut-off? As long as your income exceeds that cut-off, they will not boot you out, but will instead steadily increase your rental till it matches market rates?

This is not to force you to buy because you can’t afford, cheap rental housing are meant for people poorer than you (since your income exceeds the cut-off).

“If you're not suited on the requirements, govt. will suggest that you buy a flat through open market. Only certain cases may get it easily but most will be rejected. What happen then?”

You are given two chances to buy a govt flat that’s said to be subsidized. So you would have benefited by the rule of thumb that the market price will usually be more than your initial purchase from the govt. So the question that needs to be asked is what did you do with the two chances?

If, for whatever reasons, you need to buy it on the open market. Look for non-central areas, smaller flats. Look for an agent, they should be able to work something out for you.

“Look at the beaches in Singapore. There are lots of permanent erected tents there. One should wonder who lives in it.”

There are also a lot of demand at condo launches. Good class bungalows are hard to come by. I also wonder who lives in those.

“Talking about limited resources, do you accept newater? Hehe.. I don't. I don't trust a self claimed first class ministers who makes their own citizens to drink shitwater.”

The ‘shitwater’ you deride is actually purer than the water you are drinking everyday. They do mix ‘shitwater’ into our reservoirs you know? You’re drinking abit of ‘shitwater’ everyday.

Incidentally, Australia, US, Mideast are all looking or are in some ways converting ‘shitwater’ to pure drinking water.

“Why accept whatever nonsense they are giving to us?”

I don’t, that’s why I almost never blame them for anything. I get on with my life given the parameters. Complain for what? Not happy, don’t buy car, don’t buy house, rent, don’t drink ‘shitwater’. Not happy your 14.5% locked up in CPF, take that money and buy insurance lah. Oh ya, then you will blame the insurance company for locking up your money and making you dependent on them like they’re your nanny…

AnnA said...

Haha.. good technical answers :)

And it's good for you to only see the positive side of your life. Me too until it hits me. Used to be proud to say "I'm a Singaporean" to foreigners. Now it's a shame coz it's not truly a first world country. Just an illusion made by LKY in his book. By right, we are still in the third world having the first world infrastructure.

Check the overall policies and laws that is going on here in Singapore before you stand by those greedy leeches. It might hit our generation to come if they are not stop. Unless they decide to have some decency towards Singaporean, maybe I can still vote for them. Or else, it'll be a big NO FOR PAP.

Just want to say this, we, Singaporean are working hard to feed the ministers. It's ok if you are happy about it but I agree 100% with this blogpost.

PAP/LKY sux. Not suitable to be Singapore's govt. already. They are now way off the ground.

And please... PAP is only the ruling govt. where else Singapore is a country. 2 different entity.

Anonymous said...

“Check the overall policies and laws that is going on here in Singapore before you stand by those greedy leeches.”

A couple of things. I don’t know who are the ‘those’ you’re referring to. I’m only giving due regards to LKY and his generation. Second, you plant a lot of almost, maybe, due to this policy that policy, but when I asked you just once to state what policy you’re referring to, you ignore.

It’s easy to gross over ‘overall’ but didn’t they tell you the devil is always in the details? So try lah, you said, “Do you know that many Singaporean lost their homes due to the policy which made average income earners have to take up bank loans with floating interests? Hence the many needed supply for 2 room rental flats that they intend to build. Most lost all money in their CPF & home bcoz of these policies.” So here’s another chance, what policy?

“Just want to say this, we, Singaporean are working hard to feed the ministers. It's ok if you are happy about it but I agree 100% with this blogpost.”

Let’s say you’re doing ok, making $60k a year. On your first $40k you pay only $900 in income tax, and then 8.5% of the next $20k which is $1.7k for a total of $2.6k? That’s $216.67 per month on an income of $60k per year or $5k a month gross salary. If you make less than $20k, you don’t pay personal income tax.

In short, the people who are really ‘feeding’ the govt are those with gross income well over $320k annually. And if you’re really grossing well over $320k, you would be qualified to complain a lot, but then you would also have a few freehold properties and a few nice cars to soothe your complaints?

Incidentally, you’re not only drinking ‘shitwater’ mixed into our reservoirs, Sungai Tebrau and Skudai have for years been critically polluted, from industrial affluents and human waste. That’s right, according to your frame of reference, you’ve been drinking ‘shitwater’ well before Newater. So now you know why we can't find a 'world brain'?

AnnA said...

Friend, actually I am getting tired of all these same debates I have had so many times at other sites. That's why I have shorten my replies and allow you to 'angkat' LKY or whoever you like.

Are you really Singaporean? Coz if you are... I don't think you would want to emphasize on this:

"I don’t know who are the ‘those’ you’re referring to. I’m only giving due regards to LKY and his generation. Second, you plant a lot of almost, maybe, due to this policy that policy, but when I asked you just once to state what policy you’re referring to, you ignore."

You should learn more from your neighbors, relatives, aunties or uncles at void deck. The common people like myself too.

Hello.. about shitwater....zzzz... I'm talking about the bottled ones.

Talking about taxes. I am unemployed and I am indeed paying high taxes to the govt. Blind about GST & cigarette taxes is it? Daily payment. More expensive than your road tax per year.

About home? I lost my home and lost my whole CPF savings because of it. Why? Because of the HDB aka govt. changed its 2 time policies on buying flats. I am not sore about losing these money but regretted to know 'something' from an estate officer on an interview to jump queue to get me and my children a rental house.(there were 4000 families applying for rental flats during that time)

That 'something' was quite shocking to me although I managed to bombard him back. It is still on their record coz there were 2 men in that room writing what was said by me against them. FYI, I got that home ASAP because I know my basic human rights as a citizen of the world.

Anonymous said...

“Friend, actually I am getting tired of all these same debates I have had so many times at other sites. That's why I have shorten my replies and allow you to 'angkat' LKY or whoever you like.”

Friend, all we have been doing is exchange opinions, hearsays and a story here and there, that’s not debate, it’s just kopi talk. If you want to elevate same to ‘debate’, at least provide some stats, identify policy in question, not just ‘maybe’, ‘almost’ and ‘overall’.

You’re welcome to provide as long an argument as you wish, and I will still prove that you don’t qualify in allowing or not allowing.

“Are you really Singaporean? Coz if you are... I don't think you would want to emphasize on this:”

“… those greedy leeches” can be described as “a person who clings to another for personal gain, esp. without giving anything in return, and usually with the implication or effect of exhausting the other's resources; parasite”

So which minister(s) is clinging onto you and bleeding you dry?

“You should learn more from your neighbors, relatives, aunties or uncles at void deck. The common people like myself too.”

Most of my relatives voted PAP, the friends I made at the void deck are from Myanmar, China and India, and they are very impressed with S’pore. The Malays just get on with their family and community. The Cina complain a lot but also has nothing good to say about the opposition. So on balance, S’pore seems the place to be for the majority of my ‘common people’ friend. So as you can see, I’m learning from them, especially in the department of counting my blessings.

“Hello.. about shitwater....zzzz... I'm talking about the bottled ones.”

So you’re offended by bottled ‘shitwater’, but you don’t mind if they mix ‘shitwater’ into our reservoirs? You don’t mind we take river water that is contaminated by industrial pollutants and human waste (basically ‘shitwater’)? Is that how a ‘world brain’ works?

“Talking about taxes. I am unemployed and I am indeed paying high taxes to the govt. Blind about GST & cigarette taxes is it? Daily payment. More expensive than your road tax per year.”

You’re unemployed but you still can afford (say) a $12 pack of smokes? 7% GST is 84cts. If you can afford $12, paying 84cts is ‘high taxes’? No joke?

There is rationale for switching from a graduated tax system where the highest earning group (top 5% or so) supports the majority of non-paying and low-paying taxpayers. There is also rationale in switching from taxing income to taxing consumption. Obviously they also want to catch those who don’t declare and under-declare.

For the poorest, initial GST offsets exceeds GST itself, and if I remember correctly, it’s balanced up to about 40% of the lowest taxpaying bracket. I know some rental for 3 room flat is about $120 a month. Your pack of smokes is 10% of that cheap rental, more than 7% GST.

“About home? I lost my home and lost my whole CPF savings because of it. Why? Because of the HDB aka govt. changed its 2 time policies on buying flats. I am not sore about losing these money but regretted to know 'something' from an estate officer on an interview to jump queue to get me and my children a rental house.(there were 4000 families applying for rental flats during that time)”

If we are talking about the same thing, afaik the 2 bites of the HDB purchase still stands. Unless you’re disqualified on other conditions. And I find your statement hard to figure out because your house can’t be worth zero?

“That 'something' was quite shocking to me although I managed to bombard him back. It is still on their record coz there were 2 men in that room writing what was said by me against them. FYI, I got that home ASAP because I know my basic human rights as a citizen of the world.”

So the system works? You didn’t have to bribe somebody or were left to built a permanent tent on the beach?

AnnA said...

Ok.. it's not a debate if u say so. Merely saying it in a shortest easy to understand words.

"So which minister(s) is clinging onto you and bleeding you dry?"

I'm talking about the PAP ministers, you blind retard.

They are in fact clinging to power disregarding the constitutional laws to suck up Singaporean dry.

"So you’re offended by bottled ‘shitwater’, but you don’t mind if they mix ‘shitwater’ into our reservoirs? You don’t mind we take river water that is contaminated by industrial pollutants and human waste (basically ‘shitwater’)? Is that how a ‘world brain’ works?"

Look. Do you think the govt. wants to drink toxic water? I don't think so. So, the Singapore tap water is still save. Although it will be mix, it is not purely shit water purified to be bottled.

How do you answer a tourist if the ask you what is newater?

"You’re unemployed but you still can afford (say) a $12 pack of smokes? 7% GST is 84cts. If you can afford $12, paying 84cts is ‘high taxes’? No joke?"

Don't act stupid with your calculation lah.. common man. In that S$12, there's a bigger tax. Price in another country that is half our currency is still S$3. I am sure Singapore gets no different prices from imported tobaccos. That means between S$6 to S$8 is being sucked for extra tax from smokers. Govt. so strict but still no ban on cig.? Still don't understand?

I am not hard up with the GST offset package, dear friend. It is only 0.01% of what the govt. took from everyone's savings. GST offset is actually a smallest amount of our own money.

"So the system works? You didn’t have to bribe somebody or were left to built a permanent tent on the beach?"

In his position?? He is earning much much more to ask for bribes.

AnnA said...

Being left to build a tent on the beach?

Nahh.. I don't think they dare ignore me. :)

Because I truly know where I stand as a citizens. In fact, when I said they gave me ASAP... it was within 3 hours when I hold my house key.

Knowing your rights if very very affective... ;)

AnnA said...

Knowing your rights IS* very very affective... ;))

Even if it is going to be standing against that illusional old man.



CLOSE OF CHAPTER. Time-out.

Anonymous said...

“I'm talking about the PAP ministers, you blind retard.
They are in fact clinging to power disregarding the constitutional laws to suck up Singaporean dry.”

GDP at 2008 prices was $257,418,500,000. Per capita $53,192. There are 21 ministers and acting ministers. Let’s say each of them are paid $3mio, which is more than estimates, that would come to $63mio, which is then just 0.0245% of GDP. How are they sucking S’poreans dry?

“.. shit water purified”

If you accept that it’s ‘purified’, then why the focus on ‘shit water’?

“How do you answer a tourist if the ask you what is newater?”

Pure water that wafer plants can use.

“Don't act stupid with your calculation lah.. common man. In that S$12, there's a bigger tax. Price in another country that is half our currency is still S$3. I am sure Singapore gets no different prices from imported tobaccos. That means between S$6 to S$8 is being sucked for extra tax from smokers. Govt. so strict but still no ban on cig.? Still don't understand?”

Oh you mean the ‘sin tax’. But I don’t want my kids to smoke. It’s been roughly established that kids are more price sensitive. It’s preventive. I would say majority of parents like the idea even though it’s not fool-proof, or you don’t mind your children smoking?

Also, if you’re a light smoker, say, on a pack a week, that’s an extra dollar a day to light up. But if you’re a heavy smoker, $6-8 is the price to keep your addiction. I feel abit of sympathy since you’re caught in a vice-like grip by the fishballs and you’re still compelled to be sucked dry by the sin tax. As for banning addiction, you know it can’t be done. Ask yourself.

“I am not hard up with the GST offset package, dear friend. It is only 0.01% of what the govt. took from everyone's savings. GST offset is actually a smallest amount of our own money.”

http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/key_initiatives/families.html
Can you add all the above up and tell me how that works out to 0.01%. Please focus on the needy tranche in particular.

“In his position?? He is earning much much more to ask for bribes.”

Wow, you’re endorsing paying them well as a means of preventing corruption.

“Because I truly know where I stand as a citizens. In fact, when I said they gave me ASAP... it was within 3 hours when I hold my house key.”

Oh sorry, it is not because the system works well, you’re trying to say you were clever? Yeah, on that score, I really have to take my hats off to you. You’re a TRUE S’porean. The congenital queue-jumper. Who gives a shitwater about the other 4,000 families in front of you right?

You’re the CHAMPION, true son of the soil!

Antares said...

Round of polite applause for the entertaining dialogue just concluded between Anna and the Chink. How do I know he's a Chink? My parents were Chinks too - and they would have said almost exactly the same things in defence of LKY's management policies :-)

AnnA said...

Let him be... he wants to have the last say.

Perhaps it won't be affecting him but he'll realize soon enough when all those stupid policies made 'suka-suka' hit his future generation. When that happen, I am sure, he will have to agree with the govt. because whatever govt. implemented unfairly to citizens is by 'law'.

BTW, not talking only for myself. I am talking on behalf of more than 4000 families that you think I don't care.

Jump queue? Hehehe... like always, somehow you seem like a brainwashed PAP supporter, you mean 'kiasu' enough to do that?? Now.. now.. you are educated right? It is called URGENT NEED.

AnnA said...

Sorry to take up your space, Antares.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

“Let him be... he wants to have the last say.”

You’re still posting, do include yourself. Don’t be shy.

“Perhaps it won't be affecting him but he'll realize soon enough when all those stupid policies made 'suka-suka' hit his future generation.”

Almost, maybe, overall, this policy that policy.. you only suka suka anyhow hatam. When challenged on any point of law or policy of stats, you revert to breaking wind.

“When that happen, I am sure, he will have to agree with the govt. because whatever govt. implemented unfairly to citizens is by 'law'.”

I’m not surprised at your attempt to lump me with the govt. Despite the fact that I’ve clearly stated I only give due regard to LKY and his generation.

I’m still here to debate every policy concern of yours. You can start with GST. Sin tax. CPF. Whatever. Please try to dispute me with facts. Provide some stats to back up your hearsay. If not, ‘unfairly’ means nothing more than insisting the earth is the center of the universe.

“BTW, not talking only for myself. I am talking on behalf of more than 4000 families that you think I don't care.”

You are talking on behalf of more than 4000 families? Ok get one of them to come in here and prove your case. Or better, get them the keys the way you got yours. But you still got your keys ahead of the 4000 family queue. No matter what you may or may not do, you can't change the fact you jumped queue. So now you tell me, were you clever or were you just plain selfish?

“Jump queue? Hehehe... like always, somehow you seem like a brainwashed PAP supporter, you mean 'kiasu' enough to do that?? Now.. now.. you are educated right? It is called URGENT NEED.”

Next time you ‘re in a queue, tell all those in front, you deserve to be in front of them because of ‘URGENT NEED’. See how many will ask you to jump off the nearest tall building.

Want to bluff also must be abit more realistic mah. You educated ka??

AnnA said...

FYI, I wasn't in the queue at all. Didn't even know there were 4000 families in line until the estate officer told me. That's bad for Singapore's image ain't it?? 4000 families in need of rental homes??? Rental??? So many other thousands families are already in those needy flats. I'll be damn. How can we say, Singaporean are rich people when so many are in credits? Why are you still in denial that we are living in credit and have no assets at all except for household items??


I didn't even queue. I went straight to apply via PAP headquarter demanding my roof.

ZZZzzzzzz...

Anonymous said...

“FYI, I wasn't in the queue at all. Didn't even know there were 4000 families in line until the estate officer told me.”

vs

“I am not sore about losing these money but regretted to know 'something' from an estate officer on an interview to JUMP QUEUE to get me and my children a rental house.”
[emphasis mine]

“That's bad for Singapore's image ain't it?? 4000 families in need of rental homes??? Rental???”

You talk as though rental is something scandalous. What the hell’s wrong with rental? If a family’s combined income is <$1,500 and rental is the way to go, what other choices do they have?

I mean if HDB doesn’t have a relatively cheap rental program and these people are forced to buy instead, won’t you be standing on top of your soapbox screaming at the govt for forcing same to buy something they can’t afford?

And btw, there are more than 1,000,000 households. Why is 0.4% scandalous?

And do consider the fact that some people may lose their homes because unforseen circumstances may have upset their cashflow. Sometimes it’s due to unscrupulous agents recommending too large a house that requires large loans. And certainly, the current credit crisis has thrown alot of people out of work. It is no surprise the people thrown out of their homes will increase.

“So many other thousands families are already in those needy flats. I'll be damn. How can we say, Singaporean are rich people when so many are in credits? Why are you still in denial that we are living in credit and have no assets at all except for household items??”

Where did I ever said people are not living on credit? Go back and re-read, the questions were: did the govt force you to live on credit? Is credit evil? Who is stopping you from paying for everything with cold hard cash? Additionally, why bother if people are happy with credit? There are many who manage their cashflows properly. Businesses require credit. Simply due to mismatches with payments.

And not everybody merely count their houses as their only asset. Why don’t you go and find out how much gross savings the nation has.

“I didn't even queue. I went straight to apply via PAP headquarter demanding my roof.”

I’m curious, how did you JUMP QUEUE without queueing?

Did you also blame the PAP for helping you jump queue? Did you blame the PAP for so quickly placing keys in your hands? Did you blame the PAP for allowing you to exercise your basic human rights to be heard?

Let me guess, ‘no’ to all the above, because you were ‘clever’?

Btw, if you are first in queue of 4,000; what good reason would you accept for allowing the 4,001st person to get the keys ahead of you?

AnnA said...

Antares

Did you read the flip flops of questions?

I'd say ZZZzzzzzzzzz

I'm done with the PAP doggy.. for sure he is.

Anonymous said...

At least a dog can be trusted.

You're just a liar.

Anonymous said...

Hahaahahahah! In the end he calls himself a dog! Wah lau.. AnnA you win lah.

Anonymous said...

You obviously don't own a dog. They are friendly, trustworthy and are known to have saved their owners from grievious bodily harm.

And pls note, the derogatory slang associated with 'dogs' is a human invention. Probably by those who interject with zero content except to wah lau here wah lau there.

And yes, I'll rather be called a dog rather than a liar.

Any day, any place, any time.

Anonymous said...

I like dogs in general :) There are dogs that are used by the blind to cross the street. And dogs used by rulers to tear the flesh off their enemies.

And you are a self-proclaimed PAP dog. So whether that's a good or bad thing is according to subjective opinion which differs from person to person :)

Anonymous said...

And you are obviously wrong because I do own a dog :)

Anonymous said...

"And you are a self-proclaimed PAP dog."

You're just another liar.

Albert Ng said...

Who let the dogs out???? Anna, you are the woman. I like your passion about SINKAPOR politics.

Remember no man is an island. The day will come when we will all celebrate 'True Democracy' in our tiny red dot.

Is there any way that I can be of help to you?

Do drop me a mail at albertngbc@gmail.com.

Until then take care.

Antares said...

Sigh. Not a particularly engaging debate, Anna. That PAPist opponent of yours really doesn't have much going for him except his misplaced loyalty to a political party that has achieved wonders on one level (phenomenal GDP growth) and swept everything else (especially the messy, amorphous, ambiguous HUMAN bits) under a thick pile carpet. I guess Singapore ought to adopt as a credo, IN GDP WE TRUST!

Anonymous said...

After all these years, it never ceases to amaze me how anti-govt/PAP types just can't seem to separate issues from partisanship.

If you are more careful, the gist of my arguments are along two lines. That the anti-govt/PAP types cannot assume anyone who may support govt policies must = PAP dogs. Pro good governance isn't the same as pro PAP. You also cannot assume everyone can be easily hookwinked if they don't see your side of the story.

The other thrust is anti-govt/PAP types tend to get emotionally entangled and frequently lose sight of the issues. Particularly the details. I'm not surprised that partisanship compels readers to biased filtering. Therefore we can't just read the general news, we gotta read white papers, look at the stats, compare, contrast. Not just, wah GST ah, PAP out to suck blood, etc, etc.

If you can't get your facts right, and you keep hitting out at the govt/PAP with air balls, what have you achieved? Kosong?

In short, the tag PAPist is misplaced. Loyalty to any political party is a joke. I'll say it for the third time for those who can't seem to see beyond their anti-PAP noses, I hold LKY in high regard. I hold the first gen leaders in high regard. I have said next to nothing with regards to PAP in its present form.

So where's the 'debate'?

Anonymous said...

So does it not bother you that all those innocent men and women who only wanted something good for the people of Singapore were detained and tortured for years and that no justice has ever been given to them?

Said Zahari was detained without trial for 17 years, and Chia Thye Poh for 32 years. 22 social workers, lawyers and catholics were detained and tortured in the late 80s even.

Lee Kuan Yew must really be a cruel man AND a political coward for using underhanded tactics such as these because he is unable to face up to them politically.

Antares said...

It occurs to me that LKY admirers/detractors are very much like Mahathir worshipers/despisers. Both men are larger-than-life political figures that have left an indelible imprint on their respective national psyches. Acute cognitive dissonance arises because LKY/Dr M lovers focus mainly on their nation-building will and stamina; while LKY/Dr M haters can see only their iron-fisted, megalomaniacal, patriarchal tendencies. In effect, it's the age-old Apollonian-Dionysian Schism
at work again! Much as I acknowledge the Apollonian aspect in myself, it's the Dionysian that
I celebrate and gleefully express.

Anonymous said...

“So does it not bother you that all those innocent men and women who only wanted something good for the people of Singapore were detained and tortured for years and that no justice has ever been given to them?”

I don’t know if they are innocent. I don’t know if they are altruistic. I don’t know if they are tortured. But I agree that ISA should not be used against political opponents.

Anonymous said...

“It occurs to me that LKY admirers/detractors are very much like Mahathir worshipers/despisers. Both men are larger-than-life political figures that have left an indelible imprint on their respective national psyches."

Though I’ve followed some of our dealings with Dr M, and reading from both mainstream and very vocal opposition views, I find it difficult to pin down what drives Dr M for doing what he did. Perhaps years from now, if and when more are known, then we can paint a more precise picture of the man and his ideas.

However, I grew up with LKY. From my experience, this emperor is benevolent. We were too poor to have a radio. We didn’t have newspapers. There was no PAP people running around my kampong to convince me one way or the other. In my own experience, his govt’s policies brought stability and development. And that is not to say rise in gdp is the only criteria. When you virtually end poverty and common diseases, you afford the citizens a chance to get on with their lives. I am grateful insofar where I had to eat bread crumbs for dinner, I’m now able to have a much larger variety of choices, for myself, my family and theirs.

Therefore, until you can also say that Dr M is a benevolent emperor, I find it hard to put the two on the same page. I’ve always thought Dr M’s buddy is one Mugabe.

Which drags up another question, what if LKY had decided against public service? We may now be taking orders from KL. Particularly if he had been at wit’s end and went back to kowtow to Tunku. I’m just grateful when looking at Sabah/Sarawak. That I don’t have to live according to my skin color or affiliation to any political party in power.

“Acute cognitive dissonance arises because LKY/Dr M lovers focus mainly on their nation-building will and stamina; while LKY/Dr M haters can see only their iron-fisted, megalomaniacal, patriarchal tendencies.”

A nation is built upon the backs of every citizen. If people don’t make society work for themselves, then we won’t have clean drinking water off our taps, our streets would be dirty, we won’t feel safe in our homes, we may even be afraid of the police, our school system would be dysfunctional and our best and brightest migrate in droves, and so on and so forth. This is not just due to leadership, the people has to co-operate.

But I’ll tell you what’s “acute cognitive dissonance”. It’s when you say things like, “Values like the ability of its citizens to think and feel and act freely and independently”. You can argue all you want about the ‘think’ and ‘act’ part, but people cannot ‘feel’ for themselves? Who are you kidding?

AnnA said...

"From my experience, this emperor is benevolent. We were too poor to have a radio. We didn’t have newspapers. There was no PAP people running around my kampong to convince me one way or the other."

It was in the 50s, for God's sake. Not everyone having those. Saying it then sounds like, I'm too poor now coz I don't have a laptop?

"Therefore, until you can also say that Dr M is a benevolent emperor, I find it hard to put the two on the same page. I’ve always thought Dr M’s buddy is one Mugabe."

Mahathir might be a racist but LKY is a tyrant. Both can be called racist tyrant. One failed in doing nepo another shows the world of nepotism.
LKY settled with a red dot but Mahathir handled 400 times the size of a red dot. Cannot compare.

"I don’t know if they are innocent. I don’t know if they are altruistic. I don’t know if they are tortured. But I agree that ISA should not be used against political opponents."

Just say.. 50 people says a man is guilty but seeing that guilty man having control of courts and the likes i.e media etc, all those 50 were found guilty instead. Something must be wrong somewhere. It's a twist that LKY enjoys in his privileges in Singapore. LHL is learning from his dad.

"We may now be taking orders from KL. Particularly if he had been at wit’s end and went back to kowtow to Tunku. I’m just grateful when looking at Sabah/Sarawak."

Hmmm.. the might of a pen. I'm glad we are separated or else the tyranny has spread up north. Which was why he shed crocodile tears. It was a feeling of remorse for being bounded only with a little red dot. Not more than that. The separation was a good thing that was foreseen. LKY can never be trusted. His agenda 'changed' the day he became prime minister.

"That I don’t have to live according to my skin color or affiliation to any political party in power."

Sorry to say but LKY is the biggest racist. He need to remind Singaporean about races through media all the time. He needs to remind Singaporean about the riots through media, yet again. Some riots were not about races but LKY make it sound that way through media.

"A nation is built upon the backs of every citizen."

Where got??! LKY claimed he built Singapore. That's why people his age still picking up cartons and cans to survive.

"If people don’t make society work for themselves, then we won’t have clean drinking water off our taps, our streets would be dirty, we won’t feel safe in our homes, we may even be afraid of the police, our school system would be dysfunctional and our best and brightest migrate in droves, and so on and so forth."

Other country also have taps lah. Other countries like Australia have cleaner toilets than Singapore toilets. Our school system is already having a dysfunctional system hence the marginalized children since 10 years old (streaming Pri.4 students?? - they are only ten year old kids, for God's sake). Our best and brightest have drove out seeing no good future in Singapore unless selfish PAP is down.

"“Values like the ability of its citizens to think and feel and act freely and independently”. You can argue all you want about the ‘think’ and ‘act’ part, but people cannot ‘feel’ for themselves?"

People are 'feeling' hence the 'thinking'. It's just the 'act' that is still in 'fear' due to the tyranny of Lee Kuan Yew.

AnnA said...

"Anonymous said...

At least a dog can be trusted.

You're just a liar.
July 6, 2009 10:28:00 AM MYT"

I don't lie which is why I dare say. It's the 'power of rights'.

******************

You can't imagine the strength of having to know ones' basic human right?? Oh you should.. that's why LKY censored many things. So that citizens lives in ignorant. Idolizing him, believing in his self made history. In fact, in schools, children are learning that Singapore was never a modern country until LKY built it. I'll be damn. No wonder Sir Stamford Raffles statue was 'neglected'.

Now imagine if whole Singaporean born finds out about their constitutional rights, PAP will be doom.

(Constitutional Rights was never known until Dr. CSJ who had made aware to 'some' of us about the IBA 70 pages letter to Singapore Govt.)

**********************

I knew about this AFTER I got that rental flat. So, my basic knowledge of my own rights is already helping. Wonder what will happen if constitutional rights were made known to all? :))

It's the fear of ISA that LKY had instilled on us that still make many being ignorants. And the police are on his side. That's why Singapore is still doomed.

Anonymous said...

“You can't imagine the strength of having to know ones' basic human right?? Oh you should.. that's why LKY censored many things. So that citizens lives in ignorant. Idolizing him, believing in his self made history. In fact, in schools, children are learning that Singapore was never a modern country until LKY built it. I'll be damn. No wonder Sir Stamford Raffles statue was 'neglected'.”

You mean LKY censored the part where you can JUMP QUEUE over 4,000 families to get your keys within 3 hours? So you’re saying the other 4,000 families didn’t know their basic human rights? The officer at the PAP HQ who attended to you gave you your keys but would not alert the other 4,000 families because of LKY censorship? Are these the so-called citizens who are living ‘in ignorant’?

And you’re welcome to elevate LKY to idol status. But it is not the same as ‘high regard’, ‘respect’, ‘high esteem’.

Mr Raffles colonized Singapore for Her Majesty. These people then appropriate our resources for their Empire. They became our Masters, and we, mere British subjects. Why do you idolize him?

Anonymous said...

Correction, should be for His Majesty King George III :)

AnnA said...

Kwang kwang kwang..


Did I say about me idolizing Stamford Raffles?

I am saying LKY changes history via school textbook and his own illusional book "From 3rd to 1st world". Where got first world??? Unless citizens lives happily equivalent to the modern infrastructure that Singapore is built, you can say 1st world. For now??? I'll be damn to say I'm living a 1st world class. It's a shame.

Wah.. you still want to make small matter sound so big. I jump queue? For what? I don't have to queue if I was in urgent need. Since you are one of the LKY's friend, I think you can easily find out about me.

Dear readers, some of you are in contact with me. So, if I went silent for more than a month via facebook, please find out where I am. Now, I am telling this because I am about to jeopardize my location LOL

I simply sent an email to Chairman of PAP Headquarter, cc to HDB Director and then cc to Straits Times Forum. Didn't know nor could I confirm that ST is under PAP. If I know earlier, I wouldn't have cc-ed to them. My email subject was "URGENT!!! IMPORTANT!!!" to make sure it will be read ASAP. 2 hours later was called to see a housing officer on the next day for an interview. 3 hours after the interview, I got my key. During that time I was told 4000 families were on queue and was asked what makes me so special to be given a flat as soon as possible. Well, don't be jealous coz I am special. LOL

Why make small matter an argument? What is it that you are not happy about me not happy with the government? You are repeating questions and I am repeating the answers with more details. For you to tangkap. Well.. I have nothing to loose (all is gone due to govt.'s stupid policies) and there's nothing to fear about because PAP is not GOD hence I had the key.

"And you’re welcome to elevate LKY to idol status. But it is not the same as ‘high regard’, ‘respect’, ‘high esteem’."

Ooh.. can't wait to Singaporean get the opportunity to spit on his grave. If he is not cremated, of coz.

AnnA said...

correction:

Ooh.. can't wait to SEE LOTS OF Singaporean getting the opportunity to spit on his grave. If he is not cremated, of coz.

Anonymous said...

“Ooh.. can't wait to SEE LOTS OF Singaporean getting the opportunity to spit on his grave. If he is not cremated, of coz.”

The problem is people like you haven’t built anything, much less a nation. You probably don’t even know where to start. You only know how to criticize, which is ok, but you criticize without even reading the relevant details. And you end up wishing ill on political foes. I think CSJ is a bungling fool, but I would never want to see him dead, let alone spit on his grave.

It is this kinda vindictive histrionics that brings disrepute to attempts by the opposition to build credibility. You give yourself too much credit that I would want to find out who you are. For what? You’re more concerned about the statue of a guy who died more than 180years ago than 4,000 families waiting for their flats? Give me a break.

Anonymous said...

I said: “So does it not bother you that all those innocent men and women who only wanted something good for the people of Singapore were detained and tortured for years and that no justice has ever been given to them?”

You said: "I don’t know if they are innocent. I don’t know if they are altruistic. I don’t know if they are tortured. But I agree that ISA should not be used against political opponents."

Have a chat with them to check for sure if they were tortured, whether men and women were stripped naked, spent hours freezing standing in freezing air-con rooms to sign forced confessions, slapped 50 times, punched and kicked on the floor, had urine poured over their heads.

They are mostly still in Singapore so please find out if you like. Or you can send an email to Amnesty International to check too :)

So 'progress' or not, LKY' political reign came out of cowardly suppression of the opposition through abuse of laws and the ISA. That makes him worthy of enough disrespect to last a lifetime :)

Anonymous said...

"Have a chat with them to check for sure if they were tortured, whether men and women were stripped naked, spent hours freezing standing in freezing air-con rooms to sign forced confessions, slapped 50 times, punched and kicked on the floor, had urine poured over their heads."

I would, provided I can locate the people who did all those offences. Have you had a chat with them?

Anonymous said...

"I would, provided I can locate the people who did all those offences. Have you had a chat with them?"

We all would, won't we? And since we have only one side of the story, what kind of conclusion can we then draw?

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