Friday, November 26, 2010

The man behind the Zeitgeist Movement

If you haven't viewed Peter Joseph's Zeitgeist: The Movie, you can do so here.


Anonymous said...

Haha....I see that you are a true fan of the alternative media!!! You should add a few more name to your list. Max Keiser, Damon Vrable. Webster Griffin Tarpley. That will open up your real world view a little!

Anonymous said...

On MCLM faction of 3rd Force :

Haris and RPK themselves BOTH said they would not be running as MPs.

What a let down, and they think people will fight battles while they play chess with your life?

These 2 self interest idiots posing as NGOs have time to change their minds and distance from evil Marina, but even if they do that and lead the charge to challengeas MPs as most 3rd forcers want them to, they are already marred in public opinion and could easily be branded 'cowards in the making who derived strength to run as MPs because of REAL 3rd Forcers.

These 2 flip-flops could be partly useful if they provide funds but by not running, the 3rd Force will become a 3rd Farce in more ways than one and don't imagine that some philanthropist won't respond to a REAL 3rd Force's call for funds.

Change your minds and fight alongside us Haris/RPK or be branded trojans and armchair creeps, even if you do run now, we will however remember this cowardice, if we win as a 3rd Force don't expect any praise, 'Yea, they funded and gave expertise but we took all the risk and made all the effort.' Cynical bastards.

(1) Since MCLM's 3rd Force faction is likely mostly rubbish, especially without Haris/RPK leading the charge and involved with dr.Evils daughter (shudders at junta-like potentiality of Oligarchy)

(2) Dr.Hsu/KhooKayPeng's 3rd Force was just a distraction (typical lapdog tactic), I had chased these Gerakan pro-apartheid turncoats down and found that Dr.Hsu backed out totally after 1 week of formation of his group, not bad they got 300 members but all it does is promote KhooKayPeng's articles. Yea, like we need another armchair blogger has been politician that won't better his country.

(3)that leaves Zaid's 3rd Force faction, which again (but I really hope not) has likelihood that Zaid himself is a trojan. That would mean only 2nd tier non-Ministers or non-MPs would make up the REAL 3rd Force and would have to scavenge for left over leaders for the experience factor.

Zaid, you're the second last chance a properly trained and experienced leadership.

(4) Otherwise it will be unknowns with pathos and logos of 3rd force idealism, which could win but certainly be susceptible to fumbles on technicalities. Malaysian Green Party!!! is the only real 3d Force then?

Alot of work from TOTAL scratch. The other outsiders are the Hindraf and NGO-like PSM. But the plan we have (unless implemented by Pakatan which can't even make people declare assets or embrace term limits) would be the best, even better than US democracy I dare say and thus have it's own attraction!

Is there a manual on setting up a political party? Any old timers wanting to give civil society in the a chance?

Take a look at "Malaysian Green Party" facebook just in case Zaid is a trojan, the 'GET REAL' non-nepotistic/non-750K funeral political party is virtually non-existent and that will be 3rd Force's niche if Pakatan turns rotten (I know they don't bother to communicate with people who try to participate - believe me I tried, not a peep from high and mighty a$$3s) Haris/RPK look like deadbeats, especially with Marina 'Evil' Mahathiru for a reputational/oligarchic deadweight and a tremendous risk to the citizen.

This is my current analysis of 3d Force and it's factions, the real 3rd Force is present and ready to be co-opted but every experienced faction looks horrible. PAS could be the one which might push the reforms we have here, but it could also be extremely hierarcial for the free spirited and extremely cosmopolitan liberal bent of REAL 3rd Forcers.

On our own? Lets see what Zaid has to say or if Haris/RPK will turn around to decide to run alongside us and drop Marina (or exclude her from adunship) as well. Jonson or Jenapala types also COULD lead 3rd Force instead of hanging around the BN backed courts, wasting everyone's time . . .

cont below . . .

Anonymous said...

. . . cont from above . . .

Are you a Malaysian eligible to run for candidacy? If so please note the below :

Third Force (Malaysian Green Party)

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

We as citizens can't trust any political parties (even NGOs) and have to run as independents if needed.

Until they prove to be trojans though, I consider Zaid's 3rd Force the last viable coalition foil and platform for neutrals to hide behind till Zaid fouls up big if ever . . . The real 3rd Force is always the NEUTRAL citizen, no one else with any agenda whatsoever. Who knows they might grant everything suggested !

Apart from the above 3 items we neutral citizens need to :

Disallow ANY Oligarchy/Nepotism
End/Buy-Up Toll Concessions
End Forced Military Conscriptions
End Vehicular-APs
Block VAT / Block GST
Lower Election Deposits from 15,000 to 15.00 (so everyone can join and not be prevented by this plutocratic deterrence the poorest man has a right to join and 15,000 is prohibitive, must be lowered to allow the poorest)

Then study the below as well for good measure :


USA, UK and Malaysia, are representative democracies (2nd class version) and thus not truly open systems being limited to the whims and fancies of parliamentarians alone.

*Participatory Democracy* (1st class version) is a process emphasizing the broad participation of constituents in the direction and operation of political systems not in isolation of populist political groups but inclusive of academic and bureaucratic groups.

*Participatory Democracy* avoids the concept of the people having a single view with the inevitable limitations that come from trying to agree what that view is.

Government is heavily decentralized into smaller independent groups to allow personalized preferences within groups to be expressed in a functional manner PREFERRED by each particular group.

The system seeks to avoid problems with centralized and electoral governance, while still providing a stable democratic system and ensuring all forms of human expression especially those diametrically opposed to be allowed expression. For example theocrat moralists / and sin industries (adult or gambling) can all be represented and functional even while proponents within each group do not use or believe in the other.

All expressions of humanity thus will have their own place, albeit in a highly separated manner. Try the below related links for articles/discussions on Participative Democracy :

Shadow cabinet Thursday, October 14, 2010 (Ktemoc) Authoritarianism vs. Seperation of Powers and Complacency of Citizens

Unsuitable to Vote : Individuals Causing Notable Conflict of Interest in Local Council Elections - Original Article 6th

The column that wasn’t – Marina Mahathir - 3rd March 2010

cont below . . .

Anonymous said...

. . . cont from above . . .

Also these charts to prevent conflict of interest / vested interest :


All the above should be 3rd Force Agenda. Any further thoughts and ideas? Remember that we are all leaders, that all citizens are equal in a modern democracy. The 3rd Force method will be to present a governance paradigm so transparent and attractive and protective of the Rakyat that everyone would vote for 3rd Force.

Every official 3rd Force faction (except for Zaid's still not formed) looked like they turn trojan on us, then we NEUTRAL 3rd Forcers must be very prepared to run on our own with whatever little resources or knowledge compounded by sheer lack of ethos (or lack of reputation/infamy) we have.

Finally this, where DAP looks like it's standards are slipping :

DAP's democracy in Penang (Tuesday, November 16, 2010) (read commentaries and be aware that Aliran fettes DAP rather than be neutral)

Compensation for Rep's Kin - by Sunday Star - 18th APR 2010

The Gambier Threat - Mid 2010

Invasive By-Laws Against Sovereignty of Title/Land Owners

Be prepared readers, supposedly ECOSOC UN status Aliran failed to highlight or even suggest a re-election in Penang's 300 out of 1.5 million EXCO Elections, so joining Pakatan Rayat to cure it or setting up an Independent's 3rd Force group (outside of RPK/Haris' which includes Marina 'Evil' Mahathir) could be the other option if nothing materialises but then again, true colours would be revealed by GE13 . . .

3 ACID TESTs for MPs

1) MPs can show love for the Rakyat by lowering the Election Deposit from 15,000 to 15.00.

2) MPs can also show love for the Rakyat by donating their entire salaries if they have assets worth 5 million or more. First of course the MPs must be able to DECLARE ASSETS to Rakyat *NOT* the PM or in Penang’s case the CM.

3) MPs can opt to redistribute ‘funeral funds’ to all civil servants. 750K for a CM or 120K for an assemblyman is FAR TOO MUCH. Everyone dies the same way, so there should be no difference in quantum. See which CMs/MPs opt for an ‘equal quantum’ of funeral compensation for all civil servants and you will see which CMs/MPs love the Rakyat again.

See which MPs rubberstamp the above 3 suggestions into reality instead of ru(o)bberstamping Vehicular-APs and Toll Concessions and Forced Military Conscriptions and you will find out which MPs care for the Rakyat. See which MPs reverse Vehicular-APs, remove Toll Concessions and ‘voluntarise’ Forced Military Conscriptions as well.

3 Items in addition to 3+13

Your concerned citizen,

(Malaysian Green Party)
Unmoderated Malaysian Comments and 13 Point Assimilation Plan

Anonymous said...

You are not my concerned citizen! You have just made yourself out to be your very own asshole.

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trying to bring this to the public eye, could use a leg up, would really appreciate it. Questions regarding the Securities Commission's Audit Oversight Board way of discharging their duties to the people.

Tan Sri Zarinah Anwar must take a RM100 paycut

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are not my concerned citizen! You have just made yourself out to be your very own asshole.

November 30, 2010 8:13:00 PM GMT+08:00

Whats so bad about the suggestions that you react like this? You're not from Barisan and need to continue parasite structures do you?!?

LeeWen said...

this is awesome! He put things in a simple but accurate point!